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1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:53 pm

I'm looking for some help to identify. Everything so far seems to make sense with VIN, Body/Trim tag. The transmission clearly has the yellow tag, OM. Its number is 69-OM-2665. VIN # 394879M622382. I'm not sure that the person gave me the correct engine number, or it doesn't match. The number I got was 694648 for the engine, but pretty sure it should be the 394M6 preceeding that.

The OM tranny tag indicates one built a little later than the W34 mentioned in a thread earlier this year by taddpole, started in June 2012. His would have been built the last week of November 1968, while the car I've found was built the first week of April 1969, and is tranny tag indicates number 69-OM-1787. So those are in sequence.

Can you confirm with me the exact place to find the engine serial number? I think it is on a boss under the #1 cylinder.

BTW, this car is apparently the optional Carribean Turquoise Metallic (no vinyl roof) with white stripes, and the trim is 080 Strato Bench seats with Black cloth Excella pattern and vinyl.

I have to confirm the engine number; we may have an intact W34 here. This is another person who just bought the car and I'm trying to help sort out what he has.

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:57 pm

Sorry, not clear on earlier post. Engine number obviously can't be correct, so I have to have him check again, but it should be 394M6XXXXX. Where do I get the date code of the engine? It must be some block casting number I think. How else do I verify that this is a likely matching engine and transmission for this car and that it should be W34? Are there certain numbers that should match? Where can I find this info?

Thanks! Tim

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby 69W34 » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:50 pm

Well Doc,

First I took a stab at what you would find in the way of VIN, built date and EUC on Facebook, and I an clearly off (as in low) as there is a discrepancy. The VIN is much high that anticipated based on the transmission serial number, in fact there are two car that follow yours in production with higher Trans serial numbers than yours but lower VIN than yours so for some reason its out of sequence, why I have no clue. It has though happened before but early in the 69 production. This will also raise the built date ( as stated to early april) and the EUC number which is the 'body' production number will be higher as well.

As far as the 694648 it mean nothing where that is coming from is anyone guess, and yes the engine stamping as with the transmission should 39M622382 located as the photos on Facebook show.

The following statement though is bit confusing

"The OM tranny tag indicates one built a little later than the W34 mentioned in a thread earlier this year by taddpole, started in June 2012. His would have been built the last week of November 1968, while the car I've found was built the first week of April 1969, and is tranny tag indicates number 69-OM-1787. So those are in sequence.

but more meant to read ... 'and his tranny tag indicates number 69-OM-1787' So those are in sequence. but what 'sequence' are you referring to?

Also keep in mind, the built date is 'Not' the actual 'build' date, it has been determined that its actually the order date (as in the date the order was entered in the system)

what else may I help with?
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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:46 pm

Here's the serial number info on this 1969 W-34 car:

VIN: 394879M622382
Engine block: 39M622382
Trans: 39M622382

Trans tag: Yellow OM, 69-OM-2665

This seems to be a numbers matching W-34 car. Any info on how many of the 69s are out there today? This car also had the new built in horn ring and the new electric defrost on the rear window. Factory 8-track, speed control, etc. The air cleaner looks stock, but can anyone provide photos of a correct setup? I think these were different than 68 in that they didn't have the special cold air uptake built into the front fender, or did they?

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby 69W34 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:50 pm

Right now there are 22, 69 W34's accounted for in database including their VIN's and where possible photos, there are 2 more that still /or did exist the latter of which was destroyed by fire. That's 24, of those 20 OM transmission serial numbers also recorded this includes your.
As far as the engine compartment in concerned there no difference with 69's between the 385 hp standard motor and 400hp other than the OM tag transmission, only the 68 w34's had cold air induction. The motor shown below is a 385 HP
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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:55 pm

Bill,

Thanks, can you provide some good pictures of the cold air induction system for the 1969 W-34? The air cleaner is there, but not sure how it all went together for that, or if there are some parts missing. I was going to get the serial number for the carb, but it has been sent out for rebuilding already. I can provide some pictures of the car if you like (it's not mine, but someone else's car). The story was that it was purchased new by a lawyer. I went through and it was at least a $6300 car in 1969 with the options. has the fancy horn ring and the electric rear window defrost, AC. Nice car, but like most of these needs complete restoration. This one had the special paint color Caribbean Blue with white paint stripe. Not vinyl top (probably a bonus if it was outside much). No significant rust I think though the water drains in the back would leak all over the trunk. Someone installed the "tow package" on the car. Pretty red neck. I got the impression the car was almost to go to a demo derby, but fortunately the new owner came along. he also has a 57 Toro.

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:00 pm

Bill,

Sorry, there is no cold air induction for 69 Toros. But it does have a thermostatic valve of some kind for cold temp starting right? Looks like there is an air intake that should 'T' off the exhaust, and possibly some kind of door on the end of the snorkel to control direction of air flow? When I looked at the air cleaner it has some device hooked to vacuum I'm pretty sure. Any info on that would be helpful.

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby 69W34 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:34 pm

I can do that, sorry, I see that was lacking the hot air tube from the manifold shroud up to the air cleaner, as well as it vent tube from the valve cover to the air cleaner they were on the bench with a couple of other items when I took this an other photos.
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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby Doc Hubler » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:16 pm

Bill,

Thanks, and I'm interested to see the interior of the air cleaner and to know what the connections are. This car does seem to be missing the tube from exhaust shroud to air cleaner as well. But I think those are probably fairly common and easy to find for this year Toro.

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Re: 1969 W-34

Postby toro68 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:08 am

69W34 wrote:Right now there are 22, 69 W34's accounted for in database including their VIN's and where possible photos, there are 2 more that still /or did exist the latter of which was destroyed by fire. That's 24, of those 20 OM transmission serial numbers also recorded this includes your.
As far as the engine compartment in concerned there no difference with 69's between the 385 hp standard motor and 400hp other than the OM tag transmission, only the 68 w34's had cold air induction. The motor shown below is a 385 HP


Bill, of that 22 count, does that included the 1969 455 that I have? (W-34 issue with OM code THM 425 transmission). I remember a gold, engineless 1969 W-34 Toronado (only clue was the OM code ), I saw back in 1990, in Newmarket, New Hampshire. That car had an engine fire and I remeber Rollie (d. 2012) telling me he sold the burnt engine for $600.


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