Brand new Olds Toronado owner

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Otto Skorzeny
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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:38 pm

That looks really nice.

Francois
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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Francois » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:18 am

Hi,
I need you help, I'm trying to figure out where every vacuum line goes.
My Toro have just a heater and no AC, no K19 either.
From what I saw on the book, I would say Dashpot on the red, the blue that is going to the transmission goes to the green but I have a tee here. So does the vacuum advance goes on the tee too ? Or to the yellow ?
It's not very clear to me, and the yellow have a bigger diameter than the other ones.
I have plugged them all right know to set the timing of the engine.
Thanks,
François.
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Otto Skorzeny
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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:20 am

Francois, I'll see if I have any pictures of my engine to help you. My car is currently not at home and I won't get it back for a couple weeks. I don't remember where all those lines go.

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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:25 am

On my '66, the yellow one remains plugged.

The red does not go to the dashpot it goes somewhere up front. Sorry I don't have better pictures to follow it all the way.

The green one does appear to be going to the transmission on my car. I don't think I have a Tee in that position.

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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Tuco » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:54 am

Copied from the Corvette Forums on early Q-jet carbs:
“The stock routing for the vacuum advance is to use a "ported vacuum" source for the vacuum advance. A ported vacuum source produces no vacuum signal at idle, but produces normal vacuum signal once the throttle blades are opened up just a tad. The ported vacuum source on the early Q-Jets is the port on the forward, driver's side of the carb just above the idle mixture screw. All other ports on the Q-Jet are direct manifold vacuum.”

The red circle is direct manifold vacuum. If it were me I would put the transmission line there. Take the tee off and run the vac advance to ported vacuum.

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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:59 am

Here are some crappy pictures that will probably confuse you even more. The car is at my mom's house and it would be too confusing for me to try to explain to her what to do to find the lines.

Yes, the port on the top front of the carb of my car is going to the vac advance.

I can't tell where the one on the back right corner is going.
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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:03 am

here are some more pics that might help.
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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Francois » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:23 pm

Great, I think that now I understand everything, tell me if I'm wrong :)
So it seems that the vacuum on that bolt at the rear of the carburetor is a part of a 67 CCC option so it should not be here. The throttle dashpot should be connected to the intake manifold just next to the fuel outlet but it doesn't matter because they are both direct vacuum. As the one in green on my picture.
I'll post some new pictures soon !

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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:31 am

What's the CCC option? Whatever it is I'm pretty sure my car doesn't have it.

All '66 Toros have that vacuum port through the bolt in the back right corner. I don't remember where it goes on my car - maybe its for the headlights or heater vent doors? My car does not have ac either.

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Re: Brand new Olds Toronado owner

Postby Francois » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:48 am

On the first picture, yours seems to be connected to the transmission modulator line.
This is the answer that I got from a Facebook group :
Tim Hubler You're all wrong. That bolt was used in 1967 Toros equipped with the K-50 option, the Climatic Combustion Control air cleaner. That is the source of manifold vacuum that operates the vacuum controlled doors in each snorkel.

Then this post :
Ralph Hupfer OK guys, I stand corrected. IT is a factory bolt, on 67 with CCC. I have been in Olds parts from 69-80 and have never seen or had a call about it. I did not believe it. You gotta be kidding! Here's the part number for it. Ha

So I don't really know as I had so many different answers. But I have looked the manual and nearly every sections, I don't see any mentions of that bolt or any diagram where a vacuum line is plugged on that bold. But on the other hand, this is not the first picture of a 66 that I see with this bolt, for example, on the website of Sparky http://www.sparkyscarbs.com/October%20043.jpg
What to believe, what not, does it even matter ? :)


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