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want to know something about my Toronado

Postby CvA » Thu May 07, 2015 1:12 pm

hello I am working on an 1968 Toronado in Holland with vin 394878M612660 1968
Oldsmobile Toronado try to find out is this in correct ? how can i find out of this is an 2dr Coupe 8-cyl. 455cid/400hp 4bbl fond this info on the hagerty site
I try to fix the fueltank whit solder is was leaking And testing it now tomorrow put it back unther the Toronado. Stand still from 1998 to 2014 april but it is running now ….
then I want to know what is an w34 Toronado
thanks and greeting Cees

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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Thu May 07, 2015 1:23 pm

The information you got from the Hagerty site is partially correct. All Toronados are 2 door coupes. All are were equipped with 455cid, 4bbl engines.

The standard Toronado engine in 1968 was 375 hp. The W-34 option increased that to 400 hp

CvA
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Years Owned: I have an 1968 toronado its running now sind 18 years..
start to replace boot left site today
have an El Camino 1979
have an Pontiac 1978
have an BMW 2002 1974
daily drive 206CC Peugeot
Location: Holland

Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby CvA » Mon May 11, 2015 1:06 am

Hello Otto
Thanks for the information I ask myzelf how to read this info out of the Vin Number
or is there an other place where I can find this. And there is an 4 barrel carb on the engine.
greeting Cees

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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Otto Skorzeny » Mon May 11, 2015 5:53 am

Hi Cees,

The FAQ section on the TOA website has some information on VIN decoding that may be helpful to you.

Click on TOA Home above and then go to FAQ und Community.

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Years Owned: I have an 1968 toronado its running now sind 18 years..
start to replace boot left site today
have an El Camino 1979
have an Pontiac 1978
have an BMW 2002 1974
daily drive 206CC Peugeot
Location: Holland

Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby CvA » Wed May 27, 2015 5:35 am

Hello Otto . I am still looking at the Toronado of my. Want to know. onther the rear bank, i take it out, we do not found that paper of the car ( something like an order sheet of the owner?) all the letters of the engine and automat (th425) are the same its a matsing number car
But on the heads can i see the C mark left? so the C heads are special? only for an W34 ( or from an W34? ) the rear bumper has not Exhaust Tail Pipe marks I can see the 3957 makes for this Toronado base model so it tis very confusing. Want to know everything of the Toronado
start now taking out left drive axel for new boots

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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Doc Hubler » Wed May 27, 2015 6:04 pm

Cees,

Just take a picture of the trim tag on the firewall and post it here. We can help you decode it. There were only 111 or 124 (depending on the source of info) 1968 W-34 Toronados ever produced. It's unlikley your car would be one of those. A quick check of the trim tag for 1968 and the transmission will tell the story. YOu already state your rear bumper doesn't have the cutouts for the exhaust as all W-34s would come with. The C heads are standard for your year Toronado (same for W-34 cars), and because they're more desireable in general, many swap their less desireable heads for these.

You VIN tells the following info:

Toronados were only offered in 1 body style -- a 2dr hardtop coupe.

394878M612660 3 = Oldsmobile Division, 9487 (2-dr Hardtop Coupe Base model), 8 = 1968, M = Lansing, MI plant, 6 = 1967-1970 Toronado, and the last five digits are the production sequence, in this case, 12660 (out of 26,454 total).

3957 Base Toronados were built, far and away most were the Custom (22,497 built). So your car is the rarer of the two (Base vs. Custom). The base models rarely had power windows and the all lacked the 2nd interior door handle for rear seat passengers (the armrest was smaller also). Otherwise, they are all very similar, just less fancy interior on the Base models and generally fewer options.

The shop here is restoring a 1969 W-34 along with my 67 Toro. THe W-34 engines had a special cam and hardened valve springs. THe transmission was also heavy duty, and was an "OM" transmission tag. Your's is probably the standard transmission for these cars which is "OJ" code. YOu can check those numbers they should all match with the block as well.

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have an El Camino 1979
have an Pontiac 1978
have an BMW 2002 1974
daily drive 206CC Peugeot
Location: Holland

Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby CvA » Fri May 29, 2015 3:25 pm

Doc Hubler
Tanks for all the answers indeed i am still looking at the Toronado of my. Want to know. other the rear bank, i take it out, we do not found that Microfiche paper of the car ( something like an order sheet of the owner?) all the letters of the engine and automat (th425) are the same its a mat sing number car. But on the oil refill hose there is only the 8286298 there is nothing above this number? On the engine 38m612660 on the automat the same numbers there is an electric bens in de car But No power windows But on the heads can i see the C mark left? so the C heads are special? And not only for an W34 ( has the engine now more horsepower whit the C heads) indeed the rear bumper has not Exhaust Tail Pipe marks I can see (indeed) the 3957 makes for this Toronado base model so it is very confusing. Want to know everything of the Toronado
Must find the OJ or the "OM" transmission tag code you mention but where must I start to look for this code
info the trim tag on the firewall
BODY BY FICHER OLD ST 68-39487 EUCO22953 TR 088 XX BODY PAINT after this the general motors corporation certifies to the and so on…………………………….
Replace all the dirve shaft boots right and left site this week tomorrow get this left axel anther the Toronado repaired already the fuel tank 4 holes in it solder solved the problem
Greeting Cees,

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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Doc Hubler » Fri May 29, 2015 4:37 pm

Cees,

The numbers mean:

ST = Style or Style Trim
68 = 1968 model year
3 = Oldsmobile Division
9487 = Could be a base or custom model. Couldn't tell from the number here in 68.
EUC = Body built at Euclid, OH plant
0 = You indicate a zero, but should be "6"; all 1967-70 Toros had this number in the sequence
22953 = the body number. Not serial number, body was built at separate plant. This indicates a late 1968 car as they built a total of 26,454 Toronados in 1968.

TR = Trim
088 = Custom All Vinyl Strato-Bench Seat, Buckskin color

BODY PAINT = paint color
XX = Buckskin paint (including roof, which did NOT have a vinyl top).

You didn't seem to indicate the 3 numbers located below the trim code. That is the build date of the body of your car.

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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Doc Hubler » Fri May 29, 2015 4:41 pm

Cees,

Here is a picture of a W-34 Transmission (OM) on a 1969 Toronado. The matching serial number is also stamped into the aluminum trans case. Your trans is almost certainly an OJ (standard 425 Turbohydramatic AT).
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Re: want to know something about my Toronado

Postby Doc Hubler » Fri May 29, 2015 4:47 pm

Your "C" heads are correct for your car. They are not "special" although they are more highly sought after. There are a number of casting numbers that can be found on the 1. block, 2. oil filler tube, 3. heads, 4. intake. I'll look those up later. You are unlikely to find the "build" sheet or broadcast sheet as they were known. Oldsmobile rarely left these hidden on the car. If they did, they can usually be found beneath the rear seats and on top of the fuel tank where you've already looked. It would be great if you would post some pictures of your car and the numbers you find.


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